You're welcome to disagree because to each his own. Mark was not held at gun point but he was put in a situation where it was no less than being held at gun point. Yes, he shouldn't have disrespected her but what about Mint's mom who is a woman, a mother of a girl and calls another girl b!#@h and posts image of tree (which denotes adultery and going to hell for the same reason). If he was a man that he has become now, then maybe he wouldn't have reacted the way he did. But if you can oversee the mistake of an elder who is in her 40's, who has kids, who has more experience than a boy in his 20's and forgive her, why not give Mark a benefit of doubt? After all he is a kid. When elder makes mistake, it's fine. You forgive and move on but when kids do it, it's an unforgivable crime! So unfair.
I hope you know the issue right from the beginning where Mint's mom had fight/argument with Mark's manager for making him pair with Kim for events, lakorns instead of Mint. Also her multiple fake accounts where she used to leave indecent comments about Kim on Mark's IG and bashing him also.
Mark was wrong but maybe, maybe things could have gotten better if they dealt it in private but the question is did he have a choice or the chance to do that?? When your personal messages are leaked one after the other every alternate day, does he possibly have a chance to clear it privately? Specially then when other party have made up their mind to go to any extent to ruin the things for him? His manager and the channel heads TOLD him to give press conference. He obeyed them and apologised to that elder. Mint is no saint. Those leaked conversations were from her phone. Don't tell me she gives her phone password to everyone so that they can get access to her personal life easily. Mint attended funeral is a good thing but she didn't do a favour on Kim or Mark. Since it all started from her or from her side, she should have done this long ago if she really meant it. I, personally, don't want to be friends with someone who used to be in a same group, and tarnished my image, ruined my other friend's career and whose mother finds solace in damaging others' life/career for her own selfish motives. Not because I hate them but because there are trust issues. It's easy to say let bygone be bygone. Because you didn't go through what the victims did. Like the saying goes "You never understand something until it happens to you". I would like to end this here from my side as things like these are repetitive without coming to the conclusion. I don't hate Mint, neither fond of her.
Bottom line to me is Mark is not the reason behind the split. Kim didn't choose a guy over a friend but a friend over a betrayer! Forgive me for using that word. It sounds rude but I'm running out of a proper word at this moment.
I don't call anybody fat or skinny. I believe it's too sensitive to comment. But here, I don't think Mark is ill-mannered for calling her fat. He is her BF and like you said that's the way of teasing because lot of my friends' BFs do tease about the weight. Except for JMa and James Jirayu, everyone has teased Kim on her weight, including Nadech!
With Yaya, I still stand by my words. She has very little group whom she calls friends and Mint is definitely not one. If you see the difference between her behaviour when with Kim, Margie, Ploy (Mike and Golf's sister) & 3 other girls and when she's with Mint, you will know what I'm trying to say.
And please don't apologise. You have every right to express your opinion even if I don't agree with you just like how I've the right to express mine. I want it to be fair and healthy hence...
This is one hell of a long post from me. Sorry for that also.
P.S. when I mentioned the word 'you', I didn't mean You, Pooh4ever. It was in general.
I hope you know the issue right from the beginning where Mint's mom had fight/argument with Mark's manager for making him pair with Kim for events, lakorns instead of Mint. Also her multiple fake accounts where she used to leave indecent comments about Kim on Mark's IG and bashing him also.
Mark was wrong but maybe, maybe things could have gotten better if they dealt it in private but the question is did he have a choice or the chance to do that?? When your personal messages are leaked one after the other every alternate day, does he possibly have a chance to clear it privately? Specially then when other party have made up their mind to go to any extent to ruin the things for him? His manager and the channel heads TOLD him to give press conference. He obeyed them and apologised to that elder. Mint is no saint. Those leaked conversations were from her phone. Don't tell me she gives her phone password to everyone so that they can get access to her personal life easily. Mint attended funeral is a good thing but she didn't do a favour on Kim or Mark. Since it all started from her or from her side, she should have done this long ago if she really meant it. I, personally, don't want to be friends with someone who used to be in a same group, and tarnished my image, ruined my other friend's career and whose mother finds solace in damaging others' life/career for her own selfish motives. Not because I hate them but because there are trust issues. It's easy to say let bygone be bygone. Because you didn't go through what the victims did. Like the saying goes "You never understand something until it happens to you". I would like to end this here from my side as things like these are repetitive without coming to the conclusion. I don't hate Mint, neither fond of her.
Bottom line to me is Mark is not the reason behind the split. Kim didn't choose a guy over a friend but a friend over a betrayer! Forgive me for using that word. It sounds rude but I'm running out of a proper word at this moment.
I don't call anybody fat or skinny. I believe it's too sensitive to comment. But here, I don't think Mark is ill-mannered for calling her fat. He is her BF and like you said that's the way of teasing because lot of my friends' BFs do tease about the weight. Except for JMa and James Jirayu, everyone has teased Kim on her weight, including Nadech!
With Yaya, I still stand by my words. She has very little group whom she calls friends and Mint is definitely not one. If you see the difference between her behaviour when with Kim, Margie, Ploy (Mike and Golf's sister) & 3 other girls and when she's with Mint, you will know what I'm trying to say.
And please don't apologise. You have every right to express your opinion even if I don't agree with you just like how I've the right to express mine. I want it to be fair and healthy hence...
This is one hell of a long post from me. Sorry for that also.
P.S. when I mentioned the word 'you', I didn't mean You, Pooh4ever. It was in general.
No one force him to respond that way. He chose to. No one held a gun at his forehead or a knife by his neck forcing him to say what he said. He let his emotion overpower his subconscious and integrity. He didn't have to called for a press conference to apologize, if he didn't responded in such way in the first place. Even if he didn't leak the private chat, he shouldn't have spoken to an elder in such way. I'm not trying to blame Mark, because I know that both parties were wrong in the situation, especially Mint's mom but the way both parties handle the situation was not well thought out. And the whole thing was so long ago and yet the grudge is still there is what that's bothering me. You say, he as a man did what he could to protect a girl's image, then maybe now as a man he should let bygone be bygone too. Mint took that first step by attending Kimmy's papa funeral, so hopefully this is a start of some kind of reconciliation. Hatred is the biggest weakness a person can possessed.
As for Mark, I have nothing against him. I just think he's very immature at the time with his ill-mannered, playboy persona, and constantly calling Kimmy fat and teasing her. But I guess the saying, "The more he teases you the more he likes you." is true for MK. He has proved me wrong, like how he has proved you wrong. I think he has grown up a lot these passed couple of years and seeing him now by Kimmy's side during her difficult time makes him more endearing to me.
As for the 4 girls' friendship. I guess I can only agree to disagree with you. I don't think Kim and Mint's relationship was as platonic as you make it sounds like so. My best friend and I have not see each other for a good year or so and we rarely talk on the phone or text, but when we meet up and "hang out," it's like we have a whole lifetime story to tell each other. And by the way, Yaya and Mint were both at Margie's birthday party this year, the only person missing was Kim. Whether it be Mark or Mint/her mother, that causes their friendship to fallout is something we will never know. Both of us are saying things from our own assumption or what we have read or heard. None of the things we're saying are artificial because we don't know them personally. So what I'm saying could be completed bs and vice verse.
I think most of us here is just happy to see Kim and Mint together again supporting each other and such. Maybe this will only be a one time thing, but who knows. Can we just be happy for the girls? I guess I shouldn't have mentioned "the man" and cause this whole thing so I apologize for that. I'm just happy to see Kim and Mint together, that's all. It's been so long!