[Ch3] Kluen Cheevit (Lakorn Thai) Mark Prin/Yaya Urassaya

[chaitra]

Actually I was looking forward to this discussion....

The first lakorn of mine was Game Rai Game Ruk which is an excellent drama in my opinion. So the first scene I saw of this lakorn was the R scene on YouTube (no clue why this was in my feed but you know how you keep scrolling through videos and you somehow end up in another dimension in YouTube... anyway...) The dialogue in this scene was so intriguing and I was more interested to know why Charles was accusing Fahlada and esp when she 'looked' completely unaware of what he was saying... I just had to had to know why he was blaming her. I just had to LOL. So I googled the synopsis and the story seemed so refreshing. I had never seen a story like this so I googled and watched the entire lakorn and just fell in love with it. For me Yaya as Nangfah (not Fahlada) and Nadech as Charles blow me away.

Let me tell you, the chemistry is GRGR is the best I have seen till date. I never knew forehead touches can mean so much and bring out so much emotions. The 'Separation" scene just broke my heart and I never had never cried for any drama. I had never seen anything like this in any western or Indian drama. So when I watched GRGR, episode by episode, and felt the pure untouched love of Charles and the R scene happened I never felt disgusted. The scene just showed his desperation to hold on to her. (note: the R scene in this lakorn is pretty basic, kinda PG-13)

So then I read in one of the GRGR comments that Sawan Biang was one the most famous lakorns so I just had to watch it. But oh my god.... I hated the R scenes(note: the R scene in this lakorn is steamy AF). I am so sorry if I offend anyone who loves SB, but as a non Thai viewer I just could not wrap my head around it. For me it dint show any passion like GRGR, it wasnt anything like KC where the Nang-ek was the reason the hero's life was destroyed and he wanted revenge so he 'might' R her. In SB Ann was just used as a pawn b/w hero and her sister .

I am choosing my words carefully here...

I am not saying R was ok in GRGR or (assuming) R will be ok in KC. I am just saying that in both of those there are reasons (mostly misunderstanding b/w leads) that 'might' lead to a situation where it leads to a physical confrontation rather than a verbal one. In SB even though the scenes were steamy it just wasn't right and dint feel right.

Now I had to tell all of this just to say that....

Basically the hero being dominant and forceful is shown as one the ways to express his love towards nang-ek. This has been one of the lakorn formats for many years for Thai lakorns and most Thai viewers do enjoy it. But in the actual world RAPE has become more common these days because most of them who go through it are fearless when it comes to reporting them. So now more incidents come into light and all of us are aware of this heinous crime. This gets questioned when we watch these formats in lakorns and obv protest against them.

Most us of might be mature and watch it for guilty pleasure but there are younger generations which might get heavily influenced by it. I am not blaming people who enjoy such formats because such guilty pleasures will always be a part of this world whether it is 50 shades or a Thai lakorn because it is ok to like them and to each their own. I just feel like such formats should be restricted to mature audiences only and not be prime time television.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[luther]

Thanks for your kindness
I just want to know,what will happen to Jane? Will Sathit use her to make Gee jealous?

Spoiler

Nope. He's kind of stoic about her. Later on the lakorn where Jane begins to show more affection towards him, like when she plays his nursemaid when he gets injured, he's actually quite uncomfortable with her behaving that way towards him. There is a scene where Jee is with Chayan at teacher Ari's house, and Jane and Tit are together at Aunty Wadee's house (because she literally follows him everywhere even though he doesn't want her to) and both pairs see each other together. While they appear like two separate couples, its purely perception, there's no truth to it. Satit doesn't intentionally make Jee jealous, in the same way the Jee doesn't try to make Satit jealous of Chayan. It kind of happens all in their own heads by making false assumptions. Hope that makes sense .

Eventually Jane learns to take a hint and backs off. She even helps clear Jee's name with Satit in the end.

 

[twister02]

I'll reserve my comments for the r/w scene when it finally comes but yes, I do agree, RAPE is a crime but I also agree with people here saying that lakorns are for entertainment purposes only. I'm new to Thai soap operas and mainly, that is just because of Kim (when I saw her in Piang Chai) so I don't know much about lakorns having these kind of scenes but anyway, I started my Thai drama addiction because of teen dramas like Hormones The Series and I can't really compare them with Thai soap operas. They are of different things to me. I also can't explain why I got hooked. I even say to myself that it's like I'm watching our local dramas with Thai actors in it and I'm not even a fan of our local dramas. There's really something in Thai soap operas that made me stick to it.

My take on why Thai soap operas are not so well-known internationally is the fact that these are not teen related dramas plus the lack of sub and international marketing where as dramas like Hormones, BL series, Ugly Duckling and other cable teen related dramas were vastly comprised of teen casting, fresh contents and official subs online.

 

[sarN]

The biggest impact on kids mind these days are the Internet & social media. Even YouTube got some naughty & explicit images LOL, it's so easy to be expose to porn ads/virus . Porn on the Internet will be a social madhouse in the future.

 

[Mulberry]

Spoiler

Nope. He's kind of stoic about her. Later on the lakorn where Jane begins to show more affection towards him, like when she plays his nursemaid when he gets injured, he's actually quite uncomfortable with her behaving that way towards her. There is a scene where Jee is with Chayan at teacher Ari's house, and Jane and Tit are together at Aunty Wadee's house (because she literally follows him everywhere even though he doesn't want her to) and both pairs see each other together. While they appear like two separate couples, its purely perception, there's no truth to it. Satit doesn't intentionally make Jee jealous, in the same way the Jee doesn't try to make Satit jealous of Chayan. It kind of happens all in their own heads by making false assumptions. Hope that makes sense .

Eventually Jane learns to take a hint and backs off. She even helps clear Jee's name with Satit in the end.

Thanks once again

 

[twister02]

It's all about business anyways. The producers, the channel know what are stories, dramas that most Thai people like so they're adapting to it. I don't know much of the the Thai culture but that's how I observe with the TV and film industry. It's always what the masses want that dictates the drama's outcome. Thai local television doesn't think much about the international arena. They always think the domestic (that's why there's no official subs from them and copyright is very strict) so they're more concern on how Thai people reacts to their shows.

If they see/notice that there's a lukewarm response in their soap operas (in a long run), they will eventually change their habits and will look for new contents and think of more ideas (fresh) to offer to the public.

 

[luther]

I'll reserve my comments for the r/w scene when it finally comes but yes, I do agree, RAPE is a crime but I also agree with people here saying that lakorns are for entertainment purposes only. I'm new to Thai soap operas and mainly, that is just because of Kim (when I saw her in Piang Chai) so I don't know much about lakorns having these kind of scenes but anyway, I started my Thai drama addiction because of teen dramas like Hormones The Series and I can't really compare them with Thai soap operas. They are of different things to me. I also can't explain why I got hooked. I even say to myself that it's like I'm watching our local dramas with Thai actors in it and I'm not even a fan of our local dramas. There's really something in Thai soap operas that made me stick to it.

My take on why Thai soap operas are not so well-known internationally is the fact that these are not teen related dramas plus the lack of sub and international marketing where as dramas like Hormones, BL series, Ugly Duckling and other cable teen related dramas were vastly comprised of teen casting, fresh contents and official subs online.

I see your point. My issue isn't that the rape scene exists. It can exist in a lakorn as long as it is conveyed in an appropriate manner and the audience receive a clear message about the injustice of it. For example, if the villian does it and ends up getting thrown into prison, its made clear that sexual harassment is unacceptable. But in Thai lakorns, the protagonist does it too, and he is a man we are supposed to view as the 'good guy', and eventually he is forgiven for it without any real repercussions. It's the fact that he is forgiven for it, that I have a problem with. It conveys to the audience that sexual assault is 'forgivable' when really it is not.

Also, KC airs on prime time television (I think, correct me if I'm wrong. 8:30 seems like prime time to me), where kids can watch it, it's not like its on in the middle of the night. And it may just be me, but I feel like networks have a duty to their viewership to not encourage poor conduct, in the same way public figures have a responsibility to be good role models. So if networks show content that is not appropriate for impressionable youths, don't air it on prime time.

I realise lakorns are for entertainment, but I still feel like there is a limit to what networks should be able to air in service of 'entertainment'. For example, if a non-African American wore blackface on a show or a non-homosexual made a really homophobic comment, there'd be complete outrage, even if its just 'for a show'. Some misconducts should be left out all together, unless its to educate people about how wrong it is, and I include sexual assault as a part of that group.

I know it might be a culture gap thing, because I live in a Western country and my values reflect that. However, it still really bothers me sometimes.

p.s. I apologize to those who aren't really interested in this topic/area, but I do feel like its worthy of discussion. However, please go ahead and dismiss it if you're like "IDGAF".

 

[Noire89]

I love how ur mind/imagination/conclusion/analyzing/assumption ...of the upcoming scene is an "angry s_x" , I thought I was the only one that's naughty by nature , lets be friend haha

Hello new friend! Hahaha

 

[twister02]

I see your point. My issue isn't that the rape scene exists. It can exist in a lakorn as long as it is conveyed in an appropriate manner and the audience receive a clear message about the injustice of it. For example, if the villian does it and ends up getting thrown into prison, its made clear that sexual harassment is unacceptable. But in Thai lakorns, the protagonist that does it too, and he is a man we are supposed to view as the 'good guy', and eventually he is forgiven for it without any real repercussions. It's the fact that he is forgiven for it, that I have a problem with. It conveys to the audience that sexual assault is 'forgivable' when really it is not.

Also, KC airs on prime time television (I think, correct me if I'm wrong. 8:30 seems like prime time to me), where kids can watch it, it's not like its on in the middle of the night. And it may just be me, but I feel like networks have a duty to their viewership to not encourage poor conduct, in the same way public figures have a responsibility to be good role models. So if networks show content that is not appropriate for impressionable youths, don't air it on prime time.

I know it might be a culture gap thing, because I live in a Western country and my values reflect that. However, it still really bothers me sometimes.

Yes, I got what you are saying. I really do and I don't know why TV always presenting this kind of idea that when the protagonist does the deed, he is forgivable but the villain doesn't. Maybe because that's how life is? When people we love (let's say the protagonist) does something bad to us, we eventually give chances for them to be forgiven but when someone who we hate so much, did a mistake, we want them to be punished for what they did. I don't know. This is how I see it. It's happening with majority of asian dramas, not just lakorns.

I believe they have a TV censorship committee or board who gave out review and classification every episode and yes, KC airs on primetime, 8:20 Thai time to be exact. And (don't get me wrong) I think it's also the duty of the parents for their kids to not watch this kind of dramas if they find it offensive, but then again, there's always the internet so I don't know.

 

[Erlee]

Please quote me if I'm wrong..I go to Thailand and Cambodia twice a year and I've noticed that people sleep early especially kids and students because school usually starts at 7am. People in the countryside are asleep even earlier.
As a kid who grew up in Australia, I would sleep at 10pm (even though mum and dad sends us to bed at 7:30pm). It was a shock when everyone was already in bed by 9:30pm, I felt to pressure to sleep early and wake up early.

 

[Noire89]

Yes, I got what you are saying. I really do and I don't know why TV always presenting this kind of idea that when the protagonist does the deed, he is forgivable but the villain doesn't. Maybe because that's how life is? When people we love (let's say the protagonist) does something bad to us, we eventually give chances for them to be forgiven but when someone who we hate so much, did a mistake, we want them to be punished for what they did. I don't know. This is how I see it. It's happening with majority of asian dramas, not just lakorns.

I believe they have a TV censorship committee or board who gave out review and classification every episode and yes, KC airs on primetime, 8:20 Thai time to be exact. And (don't get me wrong) I think it's also the duty of the parents for their kids to not watch this kind of dramas if they find it offensive, but then again, there's always the internet so I don't know.

I don't know the Thai TV rating system or how they do disclaimers. But where I was raised we had two disclaimer one to ensure the parental advisory and rating of the show( or whatever was going to air) and the second is the copyright infringement act and the penalty if anyone copied and distributed the content, I still remember the 10,000$ monetary compensation and the 5 years in prison(lol, hard to forget when they do it for everything). If a show has anything overly sexual, the network advice parents to take the kids out of the room.

 

[alissaax]

The biggest impact on kids mind these days are the Internet & social media. Even YouTube got some naughty & explicit images LOL, it's so easy to be expose to porn ads/virus . Porn on the Internet will be a social madhouse in the future.

Did you come for the ??

 

[chaitra]

Ok guys lets have a FUN Discussion...

Name your favourite scenes of Yaya, Mark, and the scene which made you the FINN the most.

1. Yaya: I feel her best scene till now is the scene during funeral when she and Sathit are hiding behind bushes and she asks is she could there stay with him. Also the scene where she runs behind Grandma's car. I cannot decide between these two.

2. Mark: The scene right after Grandma's death, where Jee is banging her wrist on the wall, Sathit shields her hand and hugs her wholeheartedly.

3. Finn scene has to be the cutesy phone conversation at the end of episode 10.

Lets see if the scenes from upcoming episodes will replace these (already have a feeling the morning -after scene will probably be the best scene of both of them). So what about you guys?

 

[JJay]

The forum is discussing about R scenes when in Lakorns it's hardly seen a good kiss.... Hahahaha just saying...

 

[twister02]

I don't know the Thai TV rating system or how they do disclaimers. But where I was raised we had two disclaimer one to ensure the parental advisory and rating of the show( or whatever was going to air) and the second is the copyright infringement act and the penalty if anyone copied and distributed the content, I still remember the 10,000$ monetary compensation and the 5 years in prison(lol, hard to forget when they do it for everything). If a show has anything overly sexual, the network advice parents to take the kids out of the room.

This is from Wikipedia.

Thailand
In Thailand, a television rating system was introduced in 2006 alongside a movie ratings for movies. In September 2013, the television rating was revised.

Under the new guideline, the so-called ′Free TV′ channels have to label their programs and reschedule their shows to comply in the following categories:

• Preschool - content suitable for preschool aged children
• Children - content suitable for children between 5–12 years old
• General - content suitable for general audiences
• PG 13 - content suitable for people aged 13 and above, but can be watched by those who are under the recommended age if parental guidance is provided. Under this category, the content can be shown on television between 8:30 p.m. and 5:00 a.m..
• PG 18 - content suitable for people aged above 18 years old; those who are younger than 18 must be provided with parental guidance. The programs can be shown on television between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m..
• Adults - content unsuitable for children and youngsters, and can be viewed on TV only between 12:00 a.m..

TV programs in Thailand are already labelled by certain system of categories, a practice criticised by rights group as nanny-state censorship and ridiculed by some Netizens for its confusing standards.

I remember before, Hormones rating was changed also because of the daring theme.

 

[JJay]

BTW could anyone please tell me what Thit says in the mosquito scene??
He's refering to Tawan, but what does he say after that???

 

[sarN]

Did you come for the ??

guilty as charges the upcoming rscene had me reaching for a torch and came out of my cave . Im not shy to admit to my guilty pleasures HAHA . I'm probably more damage than Mr.Grey

 

[chaitra]

Its 6am here and its clear KC is the only thing on my mind right now esp. when this week has the most imp episodes. What is the time where you guys are at?

 

[sarN]

Please quote me if I'm wrong..I go to Thailand and Cambodia twice a year and I've noticed that people sleep early especially kids and students because school usually starts at 7am. People in the countryside are asleep even earlier.
As a kid who grew up in Australia, I would sleep at 10pm (even though mum and dad sends us to bed at 7:30pm). It was a shock when everyone was already in bed by 9:30pm, I felt to pressure to sleep early and wake up early.

it true ! i live in thailand for a good 2 years . i sleep early & wake up @ 5am but here in the state ...3am or even 5 am then i go to sleep

 

[twister02]

Ok guys lets have a FUN Discussion...

Name your favourite scenes of Yaya, Mark, and the scene which made you the FINN the most.

1. Yaya: I feel her best scene till now is the scene during funeral when she and Sathit are hiding behind bushes and she asks is she could there stay with him. Also the scene where she runs behind Grandma's car. I cannot decide between these two.

2. Mark: The scene right after Grandma's death, where Jee is banging her wrist on the wall, Sathit shields her hand and hugs her wholeheartedly.

3. Finn scene has to be the cutesy phone conversation at the end of episode 10.

Lets see if the scenes from upcoming episodes will replace these (already have a feeling the morning -after scene will probably be the best scene of both of them). So what about you guys?

My favorite scenes.

1. Yaya - I love her crying scenes but my favorite would be when she poured water over Piak and letting her know that there's no going on between her and Chayan. I like how firm she is when she did that to Piak.

2. Mark - The island scene in which he imagined Tiw and he shouted her name. I almost cried on that scene. Mark's acting in the island scenes were good.

3. Finn scene would be the accidental "almost kiss" in teacher's house and Thit pretended to be sleep talking to get away with it.