General Vang Pao Arrested????

slee00

sarNie Adult
2 charged in Laotian overthrow plot

By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A former Laotian military general and a former California National Guard officer were among nine people charged Monday with plotting a violent overthrow of Laos' communist government.
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The group was raising money to recruit a mercenary force and buy enough weapons to equip a small army, including anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers, prosecutors said.

"We're looking at conspiracy to murder thousands and thousands of people at one time," Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Twiss said in federal court.

He said thousands of co-conspirators remain at large.

General Vang Pao, who immigrated to the U.S. in about 1975 and has been credited by thousands of Hmong refugees with helping them build new lives in the U.S., was accused of being the mastermind. He was charged with conspiracy to topple Laotian leaders.

Also charged was former California National Guard Lt. Col. Harrison Ulrich Jack, who was accused of acting as an arms broker and organizer.

Vang Pao had led
CIA-backed Hmong forces in Laos in the 1960s and 1970s as a general in the Royal Army of Laos, while Jack is a 1968 West Point graduate who was involved in covert operations during the Vietnam War.

The attorneys for Vang Pao and Jack had no immediate comment after Monday's court proceeding.

Seven others, all prominent members of the Hmong community from California's Central Valley, also were charged, including Lo Thao of Sacramento County, president of United Hmong International, which the complaint says also is known as the Supreme Council of the Hmong 18 Clans; Youa True Vang of Fresno, founder of Fresno's Hmong International New Year; and Hue Vang, a former Clovis police officer.

Also charged were Lo Cha Thao of Clovis; Chong Yang Thao, a Fresno chiropractor; Seng Vue of Fresno and Chue Lo of Stockton, both of whom are clan representatives in United Hmong International.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kimberly J. Mueller ordered all nine defendants to be held in custody until separate hearings later this week.

Contact information for the other defendants' lawyers was not immediately available.

The criminal complaint said Vang Pao, now 77, and the other Hmong defendants formed a committee "to evaluate the feasibility of conducting a military expedition or enterprise to engage in the overthrow of the existing government of Laos by violent means, including murder, assaults on both military and civilian officials of Laos and destruction of buildings and property."

The committee acted through the Lao liberation movement known as Neo Hom, led in the U.S. by Vang Pao. It conducted extensive fundraising, directed surveillance operations and organized a force of insurgent troops within Laos, according to the complaint.

As recently as May, people acting on behalf of the committee were gathering intelligence about military installations and government buildings in the Laotian capital of Vientiane, according to prosecutors.

Since January, the Hmong leaders and Jack inspected shipments of military equipment that were to be purchased and shipped to Thailand, shipments that were scheduled for June 12 and June 19, the complaint alleged. That equipment included machine guns, ammunition, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, anti-tank rockets, stinger missiles, mines and C-4 explosives.

After the defendants' court appearance Monday, prosecutors displayed photographs of the weapons involved in the alleged plot. They showed a light anti-tank rocket system, a Stinger missile, Claymore mines and an AK-47 assault rifle.

The defendants also attempted to recruit a mercenary force that included former members of the Army special forces or Navy SEALs, prosecutors said.

Jack worked full-time doing strategic planning for the California National Guard after retiring from active duty as a lieutenant colonel about 10 years ago.

He recently established the Hmong Emergency Relief Organization, a nonprofit committed to supporting the Hmong community. He also is president of the nonprofit Youth Development Academies of America.

In March, Jack was hired by Yolo County, near Sacramento, as an ombudsman to help employees who have concerns or problems with county officials. He earned a bachelor's degree in engineering from West Point.

Vang Pao has been a source of controversy elsewhere.

In April, a dispute erupted in Madison, Wis., over a proposal to name a new elementary school after him, a move intended to honor the area's large Hmong population. Dissenters said a school should not bear the name of a figure with such a violent history.

In 2002, the city of Madison dropped a plan to name a park in his honor after a University of Wisconsin-Madison professor cited numerous published sources alleging that Vang Pao had ordered executions of his own followers, of enemy prisoners of war and of his political enemies.

Spokesmen for Vang Pao and his followers denied the charges at the time.
 

Vamkim

sarNie Juvenile
aw heck no, they cant arrest Vang Pao man, becuase im pretty sure that most of the hmong peoples in the U.S. see's him as a father, a hmong leader.
 

sweetyaj

sarNie Elites
does anyone knoe the name of this court. don't worry our late leaders r watching....maybe this will be our turning point...vang pao has earn my respect n honor
 

bugsy

sarNie Adult
wow....thats all i can say atm.

and can you give the link to the source you found this article at? thanks
 

jenjen

sarNie Hatchling
omg...some random person just messaged me on myspace about this...and i thought it was a joke...but i guess not...wat the heck is going on???omg...
 

kry*star

sarNie Adult
you guys, this is true. just watched the news at 11:00 tonight.... well, at least now America will know who Hmongs are... bummer...

i think that being a citizen now in the US, they shouldn't have planned something that huge though... it could have been something like 9/11...

i feel sad though because he is a lot of elder's/ hmong people's hero....
 

KEdoubleNY

sarNie Adult
Good thing those idiot got caught or else many innocent people would of got killed.

The investigation have been going on for many years in Minnesota by the FBI. Propz to the FBI for stopping this.
 

slee00

sarNie Adult
I got the article on Yahoo.com under US News.... Go check for yourself...there is another article there this morning.
 

slee00

sarNie Adult
here is the continuation for the new this morning....




Agent: Laos plot began unraveling early

By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer 55 minutes ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - An alleged plot to overthrow the communist government of Laos began to unravel almost from the moment it was hatched by Hmong leaders in the United States last winter, according to a federal undercover agent.
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Nine Hmong leaders, including a former Laotian military general, and a former officer in the California National Guard were arrested Monday in California during a sweep by more than 200 federal, state and local agents. Federal prosecutors said other arrests could follow.

Authorities acted because weapons shipments were set to begin this month to areas in Thailand along the Laotian border, according to a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Sacramento. The buildup was in preparation for a coordinated set of mercenary attacks that investigators said were designed to kill communist officials and reduce government buildings to rubble, the complaint said.

Among the nine charged in federal court Monday were former Laotian Gen. Vang Pao, a prominent Hmong leader who lives in Orange County, and former California National Guard Lt. Col. Harrison Ulrich Jack, a 1968 West Point graduate and Vietnam War veteran.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was in on the plot almost from the beginning, after the agency was tipped by a Phoenix-area arms dealer. The dealer told federal agents that Jack had approached him seeking to buy 500 AK-47 automatic weapons, according to a sworn affidavit by the agent. The agent's name was redacted from court records.

On Feb. 7, the agent said he secretly recorded his luncheon meeting with Jack, Vang Pao and 10 associates at a Thai restaurant a few blocks from the state Capitol in Sacramento. They then walked to a recreational vehicle parked nearby to examine machine guns, grenade launchers, anti-tank rockets, anti-personnel mines and other weapons.

On Feb. 15, Jack called the agent to report that the plot was "in motion," according to the affidavit. Hmong leaders had agreed to buy $9.8 million worth of military weapons, Jack said in a recorded conversation, with much of the money coming from immigrants throughout the United States.

"We're looking at conspiracy to murder thousands and thousands of people at one time," Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Twiss said in federal court Monday.

He said thousands of coconspirators remain at large, many in other countries. Prosecutors said they believe all the leaders of the plot are in custody.

Vang Pao, now 77, led
CIA-backed Hmong forces in Laos in the 1960s and 1970s as a general in the Royal Army of Laos. He emigrated to the U.S. about 1975 and has been credited by thousands of Hmong refugees with helping them build new lives in the U.S.

The seven others charged were all prominent members of the Hmong community from California's Central Valley. All nine are charged with violating the federal Neutrality Act and face the possibility of life in prison.

"No matter how strongly held their beliefs, citizens of the United States cannot become involved in a plot to overthrow a sovereign government with which the United States is at peace," Drew Parenti,
FBI special agent in charge of the Sacramento region, said during a news conference following the defendants' initial court appearance.

Another suspect, Nhia Kao Vang of the Sacramento suburb of Rancho Cordova, was arrested later Monday based on information obtained from the others.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Kimberly J. Mueller ordered the defendants held in custody until separate hearings later this week.

Attorneys representing the defendants who appeared in federal court Monday declined comment.

The defendants acted through the Lao liberation movement known as Neo Hom, led in the U.S. by Vang Pao. It conducted extensive fundraising, directed surveillance operations and organized a force of insurgent troops within Laos, according to the complaint.

As recently as May, people acting on behalf of the committee were gathering intelligence about military installations and government buildings in the Laotian capital of Vientiane, according to prosecutors. The defendants had gone so far as to issue "an operations plan" to a contractor who was to conduct a military strike in the city and reduce government buildings to rubble, the complaint alleged.

Jack acted as the negotiator between the Hmong leaders and the undercover agent, according to court records.
 

slee00

sarNie Adult
you could go to SuabHmongradio.com to read about it there too..
 

mainhiathao

sarNie Granny
wow---- i still can't understand....... a little summary please too much info. i can't get it all together...
 

ceda_lee

sarNie OldFart
I agree to some extent that this may be a turning point...since the US gov't is avoiding the massacres going on in the jungles of Laos, maybe this would bring it out to the public...Why they did what they did??? For what reasons??? I'm not sure how, and don't bother asking me...it's just a thought or more of a feeling...but gosh, we were recently labeled as "terrorists" and now our Hmong leaders are being charged of a serious felony...although I'll have to say that I strongly disagree with their decision to overthrow the Laos gov't...but I wasn't there at war with them...I didn't see what they saw so my perspectives regarding their decision will definitely be different...
 

snow

sarNie Egg
Good thing those idiot got caught or else many innocent people would of got killed.

The investigation have been going on for many years in Minnesota by the FBI. Propz to the FBI for stopping this.

I am so ashamed at some of you people's comments...have no respect for your own kind. Making such comments without knowing the truth. I'm not saying I support the guy for his act, but I sure know not to say such stupid comments because I don't know what his true intentions were. This is the reason why Hmong people never get along or have a leader...they always like to pull each other's legs. Everyone was complaining why VP didn't do anything to help the people in the jungle, but when he had plan to do something but failed, they laugh at him and glad he was arrested. When will you people learn to be more mature? You all sit here and complain even when there are white people that support him. I am so ashamed of you.
 

HuabNag

sarNie Adult
I agreed with you snow and ceda with your comments. I don't agreed that they should creat this plan of such dangerous, but if we don't help ourselves who will, wait for the American or United Nation to help those people in the jungle that still there waiting for independence, no way. that isn't gonna happening, and peace, sometimes didn't work. Plus the united states or united nation didn't want to do anything to help those peopel that still suffer in the jungle after the war. Like ceda mentioned, we the younger generation that born in the united states didn't no what our parent, grandparent experience during the war so we didn't know how hurt it was.

Plus, now it times for the Hmong to help each other, not putting those that in trouble down. IF we don't support our leader who will, I don't mean support the plan, but for helping them with the current situation. It is sad to know that we are heading this direction, but if we help each other, we can get through it. In the past, Hmong are always on the run, or pulling each other leg, it time to stop that and come together to help each other out.

We have to look of the overall situation, not just the plot itself.
 
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