General Vang Pao Arrested????

ceda_lee

sarNie OldFart
the being on welfare cus you can't find a good paying jobs to pay your bills are ok ceda.. and hopefully they aren't on it for 10 years or more...even 5 is a little too much.... sure they need help.. but if that is so, i so hope those people aren't wearing name brand clothes or sitting in the indian casino in front of the slot machines.. but anyways i know plenty of parents who don't speak english or very little english.. they're making about $8 an hr at some factory or assembly line.. but they're not on welfare.. they may have been when they first came like 10 years ago..
anyways.. glad to hear that the younger younger generations arent conforming to their parents beliefs of marriage at such a young age..
My parents were like that...we were on welfare like 9 years ago...
 

Muddie Murda

smile...
Okay fine! I have no time to research so I guess I don’t need to know. Whatever they have done for you, I hope you can forgive them. I did happen to read some of your crude comments regarding Hmong girls getting married early and uneducated. Well if you haven’t heard, there are many Hmong women that are doctors, lawyers, politicians, business owners, etc. As far as I remember back in High School, more Hmong girls made it to college than any other Asian ethnicity. But I am not going to put them down because I’m not like you. Now let peace be between you, me and the Hmong people. I will not respond to your comments anymore and I hope you will do the same and don’t respond to my comments again. Peace out!

Ok here it goes again. I didn't even respond to anti-hmong directly. Didn't I say at MY high school in the first place? READ IT CAREFULLY!
"As far as I remember back in High School, more Hmong girls made it to college than any other Asian ethnicity."

The correct way: "As far as I remember, back in MY High School, more Hmong girls made it into college than any other Asian ethnicity."

I thought I want nothing to do with anti-hmong but seems like anti-hmong can't get over me.
:D If you don't want anything to do with her, just stop responding. You keep responding and having her name in your post, of course she's going to say something to you.

*sigh* this is not about the topic anymore...it's more like everyone bashing on others...
Hahaha, I know...

As "If-Only" said, something about the 11th person came out. Anything more on that?
 

anti-hmong

sarNie Hatchling
I thought I want nothing to do with anti-hmong but seems like anti-hmong can't get over me.
haha...GET OVER YOURSELF!!!...if you say something about one of my posts...yeah, i'm gonna say something back...don't think you're so special that i'm following your posts..haha...i skim all the posts and reply to stupid comments..if you didn't want anything to do with me...why you heck are you bringing up my name?...yeah, you're really staying away from me...lol
 

slee00

sarNie Adult
Memo: $28M, 90-day Laos coup planned

By JULIET WILLIAMS, Associated Press Writer 14 minutes ago

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - A group plotting to overthrow the communist government of Laos had a detailed 90-day plan to oust and possibly assassinate top leaders, according to a new court document.
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The 18-page document titled, "Operation Popcorn: A Comprehensive Plan of Action," outlines a $28 million budget to pay local mercenaries to carry out the plot, then shut down all access into or out of the country. It said martial law would be established in the capital before Laos was transitioned to democracy.

The document, obtained Saturday by The Associated Press, was filed this week after the arrest of an 11th suspect in the case, 48-year-old Dang Vang, who is listed as the author of the plan.

It offers the first detailed look at the plan to overthrow the government of the Southeast Asian nation.

Prosecutors say Dang Vang and nine other members of California's Hmong community, along with a former California National Guard official, wanted to bomb government buildings and shoot down military aircraft in an effort to topple the country's communist regime, which has persecuted U.S.-sympathizing Hmong since the end of the Vietnam War.

At the heart of the alleged plot is Vang Pao, a 77-year-old former general in the Royal Army of Laos who led
CIA-backed counterinsurgents during the Vietnam War, and retired California National Guard Lt. Col. Harrison Jack.

Prosecutors say the leaders planned to purchase nearly $10 million in weapons, including AK-47 rifles and Stinger missiles.

The Popcorn — Political Opposition Party's Coup Operation to Rescue the Nation — plan details the cost to acquire dozens of sophisticated weapons, as well as payments for security forces, coup leaders, political and military consultants, and even mundane things such as office supplies and printing.

It details a three-part plan to take over the communist regime through a network of underground sympathizers who would "neutralize trusted government leaders." Those who could not be neutralized would face "in-house arrests or assassination."

It estimates about 1,000 security forces would be needed to establish martial law and patrol the capital city, Vientian.

Next, the group would take over all government buildings and communication systems, transportation and media. Airports and bus stations would be closed, and access to all major routes, including the Mekong River, would be closed.

Operation Popcorn calls for a transitional government to be set up within 60 days, consisting of exiled Lao leaders, members of the Laotian opposition party and cooperative government officials. That government would serve for two years before it would be replaced in a free election to be monitored by the international community.

Although many in the jungle nation lack even basic services, the America-hatched plan includes one decidedly modern necessity for a successful coup: a press liaison to communicate their message through broadcast and print media and invite the international community to support the movement.

Operation Popcorn identifies possible operatives from within the country, including disgruntled former military officers as well as more than 1,284 combat-ready troops and 10,000 unarmed opposition party members who are "ready to fight to overthrow the Lao PDR government."

Vang estimates that three-quarters of party members are "ready to rise up against the government and demand change or to overthrow the government. They are waiting for supports from the exiled Lao leaders and the international community."

The original complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Sacramento said the group planned to ship weapons on June 12 and June 19 to a remote staging area along the Thailand-Laos border. However, the arms broker who was to help deliver the weapons was really an undercover agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The 11 men indicted are charged with conspiracy to violate the Neutrality Act, which bars Americans from taking military action against nations with which the United States is at peace. They were also accused of conspiracy to kill, kidnap and maim. All face life in prison if convicted.
 

natty

Chubs
oo operation popcorn.. nice name.. kinda remind me of the movie operation dumbo drop.. good movie..
 

rukD2B

Bai Yang [♥] Fong T. Xiong
Funny name. Operation Popcorn. Wait till my dad hears about this!

Natty, you're hilarious! LOLs.

Hey look! It's been so long since I've posted here. Ha, ha.
Man, this thread is getting boring. Props to anti-hmong,
you're cool. LOLs. Dang, so another person is arrested. Hm.
This topic is getting boring. Even my dad is falling asleep
when he listens to it on the radio. Sheesh. When will this
thing be over? It's like a huge waste of time.
 

smiley_ka

sarNie Egg
OMG!!! Were they actually serious about overthrowing the government? I thought they were gonna ship those weapons to the people in the jungles for protection`` Man this stuff is just crazy -.-||
 

ceda_lee

sarNie OldFart
Man...it was freaking HOTT out there today...but it was great seeing all those Hmong faces out there today...old folks, little ones...friends and families...and complete strangers...
 

myx

sArNieZ
i don't think general vang pao should get arrested. like my dad has say, he can't be arrested becuz he didn't do anything wrong. he was just planning to go to laos to save his people. plus he's only planning, he's not actually doing it right now, also, he have help the american people before. the hmong pople going to be mad, angry if their leader got put in jail, because of him, hmong people gets to come to American to find freedom and a better life and opportunity, rather than living in jungle for the past decades.
 

nkaujhmoob08

sarNie Adult
my parents went to the general vang pao ( sumthing that lots of pep went)...dunno...my mom was like i should go cuz im about the age to qualify....
 

bugsy

sarNie Adult
wow...so i finally came back and updated myself. Whew..those are some long articles you posted ceda. But thanks for keeping us posted.

yeaa...the topic has really died down the past couple of days huh? But it was fun watching snow and anti-hmong. hehehe.

gosh....this is why i dont think i can become a social worker or counselor. Too much headaches.

o yea...i wanna know about that 11th guy too. Any news, please share. :D
 

vilasaeng

sarNie Juvenile
Overthrowing the Laos gov't isn't about helping the suffering Hmong in Laos.. That's just one accuses to make the Hmong Leaders look good like their trying to help the people over there.. Overthrowing Laos have been an issues and dream of VP for a long time now. Because "laos was supposely promise to him and he think it's the HMONG country." Hmong are almost everywhere... China, Thailand and in some part of Mongolia... Why can't HMONG try to overthrow them..Because that's the best they could do.. and those other country would probably sent a person over see to seek his death a long time ago... I mean what the Laotian is doing to the HMONG oversea is wrong... And we should do something about it and it's not like the Laos gov't isn't doing anything about it... But there's just some FREEDOM FIGHTER who wouldn't give up and was raise to fight till the last one die....
 

ceda_lee

sarNie OldFart
Overthrowing the Laos gov't isn't about helping the suffering Hmong in Laos.. That's just one accuses to make the Hmong Leaders look good like their trying to help the people over there.. Overthrowing Laos have been an issues and dream of VP for a long time now. Because "laos was supposely promise to him and he think it's the HMONG country." Hmong are almost everywhere... China, Thailand and in some part of Mongolia... Why can't HMONG try to overthrow them..Because that's the best they could do.. and those other country would probably sent a person over see to seek his death a long time ago... I mean what the Laotian is doing to the HMONG oversea is wrong... And we should do something about it and it's not like the Laos gov't isn't doing anything about it... But there's just some FREEDOM FIGHTER who wouldn't give up and was raise to fight till the last one die....
Why Laos? I believe it's because most Hmong (older generations) associate themselves with Laos...

What do you propose is a "better" way to help the suffering Hmong in Laos then? He started a peace initiative. He proposed that Laotians and Hmongs try a conflict resolution. He submitted it to the UN. They didn't reply and when they did, they said, no evidence. Laos didn't reply. GVP and his followers appeal over and over again to the US. No action. More than 1500 videos of the killing in Laos were distributed the first year. Starting from 2003 (when they first got it on tape) to 2007...4 years...it took four years and nothing is being done...you still think they're using it as an excuse???
 

max

sarNie Elites
Why Laos? I believe it's because most Hmong (older generations) associate themselves with Laos...

What do you propose is a "better" way to help the suffering Hmong in Laos then? He started a peace initiative. He proposed that Laotians and Hmongs try a conflict resolution. He submitted it to the UN. They didn't reply and when they did, they said, no evidence. Laos didn't reply. GVP and his followers appeal over and over again to the US. No action. More than 1500 videos of the killing in Laos were distributed the first year. Starting from 2003 (when they first got it on tape) to 2007...4 years...it took four years and nothing is being done...you still think they're using it as an excuse???
Yes! I definitely agree with your comment ceda_lee !!
 

my_kissable_u

sarNie Egg
sorry, i dont have respect for him......so dont get offended!!!

yeap that is right no respect for him alright. he jus F**cked all the hmong people over thinking that he can just go over and start a war with a country that doesn't even belong to the hmong people at all. for one thing we did not come from laos of thailand alright our true culture came from Mongolia which was said and belong to our faithful and truthfull ancetors. but knowing it then and now if our people were to believe that he is innocent this is full of SHIT and alot of F**KEN things. believing that he is our leader. WHATEVER he just a FAKE.
 

marduk

Sarnie Clown!
Why Laos? I believe it's because most Hmong (older generations) associate themselves with Laos...

What do you propose is a "better" way to help the suffering Hmong in Laos then? He started a peace initiative. He proposed that Laotians and Hmongs try a conflict resolution. He submitted it to the UN. They didn't reply and when they did, they said, no evidence. Laos didn't reply. GVP and his followers appeal over and over again to the US. No action. More than 1500 videos of the killing in Laos were distributed the first year. Starting from 2003 (when they first got it on tape) to 2007...4 years...it took four years and nothing is being done...you still think they're using it as an excuse???
So because he started a peace initiative and the UN still said "not enough evidence," then it was right for him to use violence to solve this? It seems like you're using that as an excuse for him doing what he did. You know who he sounds like? Bush. Bush claimed Iraq had WMD, but when the UN said "not enough evidence," he went in anyway. But then again, if VP had succeded in creating mayhem, then maybe it might've worked out well. After all, look how friendly the Sunni and the Shiites are with each other. I'm sure the Lao and Hmong people will coexist peacefully after that too. I mean, just cause many innocent Laotians will die in the attacks doesn't mean that the Lao people will retaliate.

So I guess maybe VP shouldn't really be convicted. After all, he's just looking up to what our leaders have done.
 

rukD2B

Bai Yang [♥] Fong T. Xiong
So because he started a peace initiative and the UN still said "not enough evidence," then it was right for him to use violence to solve this? It seems like you're using that as an excuse for him doing what he did. You know who he sounds like? Bush. Bush claimed Iraq had WMD, but when the UN said "not enough evidence," he went in anyway. But then again, if VP had succeded in creating mayhem, then maybe it might've worked out well. After all, look how friendly the Sunni and the Shiites are with each other. I'm sure the Lao and Hmong people will coexist peacefully after that too. I mean, just cause many innocent Laotians will die in the attacks doesn't mean that the Lao people will retaliate.

So I guess maybe VP shouldn't really be convicted. After all, he's just looking up to what our leaders have done.
Ha, ha. Marduk, I love you!!! LOLs. You and your sarcasm. But I so agree!

Seriously, why do you guys keep thinking that the other countries don't care
to help or 'do something about it'? Do you guys actually think that countries sit
around and wait for people to go to them with their problems? Countries have
lives too. They have to take care of their country first. They have to do their work
and business too. Do you guys think that just one country will be able to
help save all the Hmongs? H*ll no. You guys need to stop thinking that. This is one
of the negatives of Hmong people. If someone pushes you away for a while, you
get aggravated by it. I mean, I have that trait too since I'm Hmong. Man, why the
heck are you guys only bashing Laos then? The UN didn't care to help, okay, go
bash on them too. The United States didn't care to help, okay, go bash them too.
You guys are purposely blaming everything on Laos? Do you guys really think
that just pointing fingers at Laos is going to help VP? Maybe you guys should go
protest everyday then, instead of sitting by your computer and typing about how
bad and mean Laos is. Oh wait, you can't protest everyday because you have to
work and rest and sleep. EXACTLY. So the countries didn't do anything about it
because they have to work and rest and sleep too. You can't expect someone to do
something for a whole entire race right when you tell them about it. They have to
make sure that you're not just lying about it too. Just like this topic, how are you
guys going to feel if VP is found guilty? How would the countries feel if the
Hmongs were lying about the torture? Just because you have evidence and video
clips, it doesn't mean that they're going to automatically believe you. What if the
evidence is made up? Agh, this is stupid.

No offense, anyone. If you got offended, too bad. I didn't tell you to read.
 
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