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maybe i watch too much kdrama :scratchhead2: . i feel like tik's skin is damn worn out :secret: ... that looks so obvious when he is next to mai . he is one lucky guy since he acts with all pretty actress who is almost half of his age :wink:  ...

the girl is damn cute :heart:

honeslty why tik mostly gets a boring or flop lakorns :rant: .... man he has damn good- looking face :woot2:  and he is good at acting . but his choice of lakorns are damn worse :cry:

wow how on the earth this lakorn is not popular???..  damn i am hooked that i am going crazy ... i really really in love with jirakit. he is awesome.

where can i find this with subs??? ... i watched only half of  his lakorn with yaya since i couldnt find subs....

why do this story sounds half like "klin kaew klang jai"  without the blind stuffs

wow   i have wait for the lakorn to finish airing.. the actress is so pretty compared to other ch7 actress..

they are so cute as couple.... can i know where we can watch this week's episode with subs??

omg i hope they dont extend it and make it boring.... just go with the flow... but is there a tiny weeny bit chance to see a real kiss???

:woot2: :woot: :dance1:

i have always annoyed when a heroine keep on  crying for her boyfriends in lakorn, kdrama, tdrama  etc   :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: and but damn i really really couldnt find noona annoying crying over her dad :scratchhead2: , i mean i am more like  i'd be crying like her too if i was her :cry...

i just love this lakorn more than  i thought i would be... btw i cant wait for ep 9 :woot2:  cant wait how it gonna turn out be... honestly the hairpin scene is  quite fast :scratchhead2: ... not amzed at singh giving it  :wink: but noona recieveing it . i really couldnt get to see noona falling...

lol some has to compile the jealous nadech for lakorn god's sake.... lol he is damn adorable

i just love this girl, she is so pretty and DAMN she acts.... her smile is heart-warming.. my heart breaks when she cries for her dad... btw nadech and mew are totally so good together.... only sad thing is that i couldnt see them have the REAL KISS...

wait have some question, so the kid is his own daughterr??  they are not married yet??? btw i have to say that i really really like preem the best among the younger genreation actress.

is there anyone subbing this???

honestly i think no one can replace andrew as tripope..lol. btw i just dont like the way they change the remakes but still this lakorn is adorable in its own way

who is masu??

the actress is kind of cute

is it me ?? now a days they pick actors who resemble the yester actors or vetran actors.. the actress looks like a mix of min and taew

i have always had a thing for grate and rome.... i really try to watch their lakorn irrespective of the storyline but i  never happened to finish grate's lakorn.. hope atleast this i could finish

i am really really sad that it ended.... now  i am gonna start watching it with english sub.. btw where can i watch it???? :scratchhead2:

wow can some one post the screen cap where he lifts  her stomach close to his face  :ninja: in the final epi.. omg he is DAMN MANLY. :heart: . no matter how many flower boys come a boy who can lift a girl like a feather is damn attractive atleast to me. :crush:

i am glad to be spoiled... lol please post some gifs or pics or videos

i really really love his kisses ... just gives me goosebumps

SRK and kajol

i am interested and hope you make more :highfive: :dance2: :beer:

i really dont know how many of you will agree with me but in this remorseful scene PUSH did it better than tik or i could get the feel he conveyed  more than  when i felt with tik ...   so conclusion is TIK is better at playing KONGPOPE "before" the marriage. where as PUSH is better at playing...

yaya is doing  a good job as poom but i realy really like KEN as the neung

  is it me or he is RED on the bed, lol

agree since TIK has the best PLAYBOY face and it was really convincing.. but i think PUSH does a decent job

honestly i really hate kongpope's character in the first half but i watched it for TIK... i hope atleast in this version they made his character little bearable

my bad my quota of positive ended.. lol i have been excited too much that i kept on clicking

i realy love the original version so i am gonna watch it..

wow ken and cherry's chemistry too hawt :kiss3: .. that i have to pause for sometime and catch my breath... :woot2: .... i really couldnt bring myself to watch ken's lakorn if his co-star is not ann.. but damn here their chemistry is too strong to deny

waiting for ken and cherry

i was never able to finish a taiwanese drama.. they are either too draggy :scratchhead2: or damn sweet that i wanna puke :sick: .. btw i really like the male leads.. lol they are HAWT, like mike he, danson tang,aaron yang, jiro etc... there are some exception i loved the tdrama.. devil beside...

exactly, aint the whole lakorn is based on that track??? that assures us that writer way too lost in between the story

if not for tui and kwan i wouldnt have bared this torture,  surly you guys owe us thanks a lot..

HOW TO RUIN A LAKORN when you have a  good story, good actors and and everything... contact the MSRFS' writer and director :rant:

lol i too wonder  :scratchhead2:  , i really watch korean idol's and actor life real close compare to all other actors around the world  :yes:  , i mean even if the actor is married or involved in cases never affected me  :shrug:  but its different in case of korean idol or actor  i become a...

lol seems like i might differ since i liked bomb in cubic.. LOL not his acting but his face..lol though i quit halfway, i just watched for his face. but dome, son, smart pulls the hair out of me.. :cry1: if not for ann i wouldnt watch smart act even if  i will be chopped to 1000 pieces.. :shock2:

DAMN AGREE  especially nadech/yaya and kim/mark.. seriously .. IM TIRED :locked:

not in order ( tho i did it) 1. KEN .T 2. TIK 3. PETER CORP 4. TUI 5.SMART 6. MARIO ( he is so manly unfortuanely for his face he has to be a sweet/girly characters) 7. WILLY

lol i find  som  prettier in this falling pic than anyother pics... :secret:

http://drama.bugaboo.tv/pages/182553/182550/%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%A1%E0%B9%88%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%89%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%9F%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A2%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%A5%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%87_27_%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1.%E0%B8%A2.58_%...

:offtopic: guys suggest some interesting lakorn, i meant INTERESTING LAKORN... :beer:  that aired in 2015. glad if it has subs :thanks:

chompoo is one of the actresses who i prefer they played the nang rai than ne'ek.. but gonna watch this for ken,...

wow she is so beautiful but she looks way different now

 raeng ngao i watched this lakorn just because it had anne :secret: ... i think i have pulled little less hair in this lakorn :scratchhead2: .. but wait there are 6 more to pull more :bhehe: ..

omg that the author's previous works?? i never liked anything from that or i quit liking it in halfway... OMG now i am afraid of the outcome  :teary: :cry1: :tearybye:

haha tui and kwan so cute.. hope they recovers us from the last few bad episodes. they is so much chemistry between them to waste it...come writer, i wanna trust you once again.. show us what you got

you just said what i wanted to :highfive:

honestly there isnt a much screen time for our OTP this week.. hope they fill it with them for next week :yawn:

wow no one is here???? :scratchhead2: :scratchhead2: :scratchhead2: :scratchhead2: :scratchhead2:

translate the preview guys :flowers:

wow there are lots of  "wee"s in lakorn

the p'ek is DAMN handsome... so this lakorn is on my radar

hi has anywhere the episode is uploaded?? link  please :woot: :woot2:

guys do you have live link for the lakorn?? or where can i watch the current ep

ok :offtopic:  i want to thank this subber dont know where to thank her since i dont  have dailymotion a/c,  THANK you  :thanks:  " NINJAKKN" thank you so much for subbing this lakorn... :kiss2:  :beer:  :highfive:  :toast: :kiss3: :thumbsup: :bravo: :yahoo: :clap: :wub:

@SarN  @khmaichick559 @ omg, you guys should leave the poor baby boy.... if he is bro to one  of  our forum sisters, then he is bro for us too.BTW how old he is??

wow you know thai?? :woot:

can someone translate it??.. or can you get me the subtitled video of it?

do i have to say that, kwan has become beautiful from prettier  :coolpix:  .... i really find her eyes and jawline very attractive, especially jawline :wink:  ( usually lakorn actress doesnt have defined jawline right? :scratchhead2:  ). and her acting improvisation add the beauty to her face...

actually i wanted it like that too.. since i dont want wee to choose chit because his wife dies and he doesnt have option, i want him to choose her :yes:  while she is ALIVE...

do i have to say that kwan has a slender and really pretty figure

the way he wrapped her arms around her in the end of ep 3 MADE me feel so warm :kiss3:.. i mean i totally felt.. :bump: .. it just felt so different, :spin:  maybe i have seen too much korean, taiwanese and thai petite guys that just a hug from a muscular guys makes my heart so WARM :blush: ...

i really had a low expectation for it since it has kwan, i have watched her lakorns but her acting is just meh :secret: .. BUT MAN DID I :woot: ...... she is super awesome here and improved a lot  :thumbsup:  and that guy just grew on me and i think the gangster role just PERFECTLY suits him...

i really really like this VERSION alot better.. its surprising to see esther acting... she is awesome and i just loved it... and about sean, i didnt expect that he would be that charming...lol

wow she is very beautiful :yes: .. no matter how hard i try i really couldnt get to finish the lakorns of om and poo because of their acting :cry1: ... but what did i see :shock2: ..... OM is just acting awesome or better than all his previous :bravo: ...  they are just sizzling hawt :clap:

can you guys suggest a lakorn

Wow its over but there is a big sigh..... The NEGATIVE of being ann's fan is you cant like a lakorn without her. And the worst is if ann's was your first lakorn you are doomed, you will never or really hard to like a another actress' lakorn. @nangfah11 trust me you are gaining mark so much...

i was really disappointed with last week episodes.. hope this week will be great.. its okay evenif whole ep is filled with AP all the way :bhehe: :rockon:

is it me or kim looks more like a foreginer than a thai in this drama?? i mean her face has become long (how do you say that!!!???)

wah cant they simply give me AP scenes???.....  lol i am like without water when seeing ARO without AP scenes. i get that story has to go on but still please blow us some blessing tooo ..lol

lol thats me... i wanted non and saya together to see ANN and MARK together not non and saya ( does that makes sense!)..... i changed my mind after i found how hawt PETER is!!!..... now am AP all the way

hope that dating romance of non and saya ends today itself.. :rant: i want AP.. :woot2: :woot: .. and a LONG kiss :dance1:

It official My favourite episode so far is ep 12. I just squealed,blushed,joyed , felt the pain and disappointed and glad all at one episode..... Waiting for the sub.. Now i want a real kiss or to show it.

Is it started ???? Waiting for a kiss scene between AP.. I might be in 7 heaven after it.DON'T DISAPPOINT ME

Lol after seeing the TIED i am like my fellows in thread really has wildest imaginations ... Haha kudos for the writer and director to have unpredictable turn... But little dissappointed since expected kiss scene.

Prao needs some char shape up. Her boldness is great but get on the nerves when she did it when she is totally wrong

I really need more Ap scenes. I have watched all markim lakorn and like them . But having Ann in lakorn i skip every scene other than Ann. Lol.. Maybe next time i should re watch it for markim but for now its Ap scenes.

yeah i dont mind seeing her like the younger guy... i just SAID IT as LIP "KID" :yes: ....you took the words right out of my mind..... which i dont find words to express :thanks: :thumbsup:

LOL yeah she is crazy for the kid :rant: .....

sure considereing lip, he is.. but i cant blame saya for that

wait are they are real singers who become actors or they sing since they become actors??? i meant about mark,son,nadech,boy....

i really  dont get why everyone is angry about saya not falling in love with lip...SERIOUSLY  :nono1:  ...   they are friends for 5 years and the  care he shows is hardly enough to make her understand his love..... since real friends care like that too :grouphug: . and she has seen him being...

TBH i feel like being bold and outspoken like she did to lipda suits kim's face andd voice than being sweet... i really want to see her in a sassy role .. she is damn good at it            

can anyone tell me? when did peter found that saya is ab ruk  and  did kim said that saya love pranon to lip???? :scratchhead2: i just feel pity for everyone there... it really HURTS to have crush on someone to whom you are invisible..... :cry:      

There aren't many scenes of ap yesterday. Hope atleast today we get to see them. The less the AP scenes the low the ratings. So its better to put more writers of AP .lol honestly ep 7 was quite boring for me.

lol i have completetly GONE crazy :woot: :woot2: .. everytime i am free, i am like what will happen next  for  AP :scratchhead2: ??? will this scene come or that one :shock2:  .... omg i never went this crazy for a lakorn or drama that i am dying to see  what happens next

lol the emoticon is DAMN CUTE..... wow that so cheesy and cute

what about the ratings.. i mean will they increase the episodes if the rating is good????? :cry: :cry1:

Wow though i don't get a single word. I felt every emotions out there. Awesome actors

i couldn't agree more, i thought i am the only one that ships Ann and mark. Though i want peter and Ann there is a place in my heart for Ann and mark lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthSDvSftec

TBH i like kim, it just that anne overshadow anyone in the lakorn for me.... that i want more of her....

honestly in the lakorn subbers i never knew someone who is faster than anonyblue1 she is just awesome and too fast ... she dont fail you when you wait for her subs....

sure but its hard to resist..... :highfive:

lamo that was so funny but i am in public that i couldnt even laugh loudly :coverlaf: :coverlaf: :coverlaf: :coverlaf:

oh nevermind.. thank you so much :bravo:

omo he is playing it UNFAIR there... :gungirl:

lol i am laughing just reading it.... :woot2:

then can you recaps?? :hide:

sweety can you make a live recap/screen caps :flowers:  at least AP scenes :kiss3: ..... ???

isnt it airing?

glad that anonyblue1 subs AP scenes ONLY..  :dance3: :woot2: . so when i had time i am gonna watch it fully.. i really want mark to know thats "ab ruk" is saya  though its not gonna happen this soon.... :cry:

Exactly i was really disappointed with that plot of Ylc. Since its okay for me to act bad when you are good inside but not the reverse which Ylc does. And i also felt that Anne isn't that comfy with tik compared to other actors. .Btw i am enjoying this lakorn and AP scenes have exploding...

Wow Kim is so sexy in yellow with peter. Seems that style suits her a lot. Btw can anyone say what they were talking? Peter has the dreamy eyes. Either he is mesmerized by Kim or he should be heaing or talking about Anne. Please reply

Some one please recap or screencap what happened?. I really don't have time to watch entire video now.i am gonna watch when i have time .but for now i might die in curiosity. Please.

Thanks for the updAte and screencaps guys. Hope you guys make more of it atleast AP scenes id be grateful. Lol AM scenes are so cute.hope they kiss like "stage SB" lol.only if you guys remember.

the actress is very pretty but did she have plastic surgery??? :shutup:

omg i feel like i wanna die..lol i really couldnt beleive i am gonna watch my ann's lakorn again...* lol just ignore me i am drunk without drinking* :woot: :woot2:

someone please do the live recap

the cast is an awesome one. so even the story sucks its gonna rock just for the cast, i mean the side actors are damn funny :woot2:

mark , kim , peter are gifted to act with her.. she will bring the best out of them... i really cant wait and have my exams just around the corner...

will there be a teaser today???

i strongle agree that jui has one of the best face shapes among the thai celebs... she is very very pretty :highfive:

i just love the cinematography here.. they are awesome.. and ann and kim... they are DAMN hawt man...i just goosebumps from the seeing the mv

that what i wanted to say.. they have some magic.... i dont wanna compare ken, will and peter but have to say that they share a sizzling chemistry.... like mane yard , SB and  ARO :dance3: :woot2: :woot: :kiss:

are they really dating?

lol i just love alin.... i really love her character there...

happy new year... hope this year thai produces good lakorns

i really cant wait for this... :cheer: :woot2: :woot: hope they wont disappoint me with less ann's scenes or make her the 2nd lead :shock2: .. lol i am ann's avid fan will watch any kind of lakorn just for ann :heart:

i have always felt that kim suits with nadech and mark with yaya,when you consider their physique :secret:  ....and now i think  mark suits with bella too :cheer: . i really dont know in what criteria its yadech and MK... just asking :scratchhead2:

guys lemme know when you fond the english sub for this.. please.. i reall  love FILM and damn it a slap/kiss lakorn

wah bomb is ugly???...... :gungirl: :censor: :nono1:  he is damn cute and handsome :yahoo:

when its gonna air?

wow ann is so cool with the specs.....

you wont have idea how hard i laughed......LAMO :lmao3:

i just cant agree with this more... i really force myself to watch many lakorn of hers since she has done many but i really couldnt stand her face....

i seen him in the cubic..  man this is the first time i felt "going weak in the knees"   :woot2:  :woot:  :rolleyes:  :wub:   and also the first time i liked a actor through HIS BAD ACTING...lol.... i just love everything about his face.. especiialy his lips :heart: ... oops sorry to be off the...

  :shrug: yeah... i never watched his lakorn. so its just a  appearnce judgment .. i might change it if he acts awesomely... :kiss:

aint it TOO MAINSTREAM to say like that :pervie: :bhehe:  j/k :toast:

aint this actress is from bo see chompoo.. she is very gorgeous

dunno whether to say i like him with facial hair or not :scratchhead2: .. i DONT like him with that in first 2 pics... :shrug: but i just find him hawt in the last 2 pics :drools: ..

lol is it me mark looks like he was wake up from the sleep just a minute before the shoot :hide:

why it has to be pete? wish it was someother guy.. :secret:

why no one ever  said to me that anne is doing another lakorn ..ab rukk..  :woot: btw thanks for the signature that i got to know it.. :kiss2: i used to think anne and mark would make a good couple but never thought it would become true. :dance3: btw seems like mark and kim is gonna act again...

it seems like YLC is possessed by turtles :cry: .... no matter how much step they move there progress seems very little :yawn: ... guys already i feel like i am aging up with them dragging like this :rant: .. seems like i'd be married and get my grandsons married too before this airs :baby:

i too find ,mo's acting quite unnatural.. as for pinky she is very pretty in this drama

mike looks like a korean

i really wish they change the hairstyle for the guy.. he really looks very old with that hairstyle.. :secret: i started to watch this because mike is handsome but fell in love with the nangek's acting..  she is so cute and charming.. :highfive: all i need to say is that MIKE needs to improve...

is there any new updates guys?? any news?? :bump:

wow still we cant get the airing date for this????? wow do they know how long we are waiting... i am afraid before they air , HUMAN IS GOING TO BE AN EXTINT SPECIES :whatever:

wow he looks like a korean though..  still i never liked the korean full house and i was bored in the half way . :shutup: but i wanna try thai's since the lead is handsome..lol :bhehe:

i am watching this just because it has tootam :kiss2:

you didnt watch rab ne banadi jodi (dunno the spelling) i just loved it... the acting and the story is DAMN awesome.. student of the year ( just love the lead actor).. dhoom (aishwarya and hrithik) krrish(priyanka chopra and hrithik)

my fave kuch kuch hota hai rab ne banadi jodi dhoom(ASH ,HR) krrish( PC,HR) student of the year    

not in order SRK amir khan karan singh grover ( the best in the DMG 2007) john abraham hrithik mahesh babu( lol he is not in bollywood but someother in india ) lead actor (student of the year)

REALLY..... :woot2: :woot: :dance3: :dance2: :dance1: :rockon: :weee: :heart: :flowers: :thumbsup: :clap: .. lol i never been so happy to be proved WRONG..... so TIK knows to kiss too.. lol seeing him in many lakorn where they fake the kiss makes me to think that he dont KISS :lmao3: ..   so i...

seems like i'll end up watching tootam's lakorn just FOR his kisses :cheer: .. * sorry to be perv* :locked:

hahaha sorry to blow your bubble as far as i know tik never kissed anyone in the mo-u-th... (may be i am wrong :secret: ).. but i wish it happens ...... to making us to wait this long .atleast they have to do this MUCH :wink:  right :pervie: :bhehe:

1.ANNE T 2.KIMBERLEY 3.janie 4.jui 5.matt 6.mai devika etc

.. its damn confusing.. noon is esa right? she is the one with 2 kids r?? then pong slept with esa, his mom??... i really  dont get :scratchhead2: ...

since we had a more similar tastes.. :toast: . i too find margie annoying , dont find her pretty and avoiding her lakorns :secret: . i really wanna know which lakorn of her makes you change your opinion? i wanna try and i sure i am gonna like it since you too like it

for some reason i dont like kim's hairstyle and her lipstick color :shrug: .......btw they are cute together :wink: . .mark is very cute :kiss: ..

aw you broke my bubble thought its 31st aug... :cry: .... so have to wait more.... :cry1:

aw thats it... if its not mk part we are glad to miss it..lol ty... :dance1: ......really cant wait till august 31st....

heard guy and nee gonna make a pair.. if its true, i want some more scenes of them :kiss: .......

ow :cry: my bad.. i really want more.. wow today is 16.. i gonna check it out :dance2: ..... :thanks: sorry to ask this.. in last one does those 3 pages have only that much translation? you are not missing anything right ? .....  sorry i am just too curious :D

@ninja007 thank you so much  :kiss2:  :heart:  :kiss:  :flowers:  :thumbsup:  i am enjoying it :dance2: :dance1: :grouphug: :yahoo: ..keep it coming :clap:

so she likes him first.... is it like RP? dont say me it like that

this lakorn sounds interesting and the story is quite a new to me :dance2: .. though its hard for me when the actors dont act good :cry: .. i have seen certain clips and found that SON has improved a lot :dance3: ..the actress is ok as long as she acting GOOD :dance1: .. so gonna try this.. how...

as nang'ek 1.anne thogprasom. :heart: 2. min pechaya/ bee. 3. kim voltemos. 4. ning kullasatree. 5. mai devika/ vill (yet to prove). . as supporting actress (not in order lol though i ordered :dance1: .) 1.Sara Legge 2.Janesuda Parnto (SB) 3.Esther Supreeleela 4.Jamie Bouher(OR) 5.Nattarika...

LOL  this thread is funny.. everyone have their opinions and just for that, this thread and site is started. so i think take it in a sportive way, if you find the comment offensive..DONT THINK TOO MUCH GUYS.......  afterall ,we are not lakorn's N"EKS who dont even raise her voice or be harsh ...

lol these are NOT mine.. this just the ones i ROFL and LAMO :woot2: :thumbsup: :clap: :yahoo: :loool: :coverlaf: :loool: :lmao3: :lmao2: :clap2: 40. 68 73 74 79  the bad girl is so good at being annoying. the way she talks, the way she moves her mouth, and her facial expression (it's hard to...

        lol i have to say that  these 3 people have my answer :dance2: ...lol  is it BCUZ WE ARE ANN FANS.. :wink: ...

 guys nadech - lol love him. and  i like him even more  when he get jealous :weee: ... i mean the face when he get jealous..... mark - he really acts damn good in showing he is hurt which  urges me wanna  hug him :kiss: . tootam - too early to judge him but i think he deserve a place. i feel...

though its too early to say... so far its, TOOTAM  and VILL :cloud9: matt and film

yeah.. i did. but i've to say that i dint liked ANN, KIM, MIN, MATT, ploy c etc :rockon:   at first... but after i seen their performance..wow they suddenly become the MOST BESUTIFUL GIRLS  in the world :clap: ....   TBH the above ones are failed to impress me with their acting that i became...

yeah i expected someone will say this ......they made me to NOTE their face because their ACTING didnt coverup :yawn: . so when you see some people getting picked as actor but dont know to act. wont u think they are picked for their looks????..i find the actors annoying only if their acting...

wah... i never thought i would find my flocks....lol i just love this LAKORN.. after a long time i found something similar to SAWAN BIENG..    tootam :heart: : he damn handsome and  seems like a good kisser. and he really acts good. i like it when guys pour their HEART in acting.....  VILL ...

 is majurat see nampeung is good? worth to watch? i am currently watching sud sai paan and really love this lakorn

YA LEUM CHAN..    only this.. i really cant wait till it airs.. a dream team ann and tik...

ANNE THONGPRASOM .. almost every lakorn she acts become my fave..   no other actress can come close her.... so i dont have option 2..

rather than saying they are not pretty i would has they are not A NANG'EK MATERIAL .   1) AUM.P - seriously she is the sexiest in thai ?????  she looks totally WEIRD to me,      what annoys me about her - oval face, those lips and the skeletel look..   2) aom.p -  quite looking good.. but just...

i dont like to  watch lakorns  again BUT there are exceptions..   1) sawan being 2) manee yard fa 3) sood saneha 4) likit kammathep 5) cupid pathway.

lol i really have ALOT.. recent one, Roy Leh Sanae Luang = its just a mix of all other slap/ kiss drama...every episode ends like you dont need to WATCH a new one...EVEN the beautiful face of the actress and the acting of actor cant save this lakorn.. UBER boring lakorn.. dont even dare to watch...